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“Everything has two handles, and it may be carried by one of these handles, but not by the other.”

In this conversation, Caleb and Michael talk about these lines from Epictetus.They talk about how it points the way towards Stoic creativity, offensive and defensive Stoicism ,and role ethics. It’s a simple passage with a lot of depth.

(00:31) Epictetus

(05:05) Creativity in Stoicism

(12:31) Stop Shutting Down

(20:56) A Better Interpretation

(33:54) Marcus Aurelius

(44:00) The Handbook

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