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Tarkovsky's Solaris: Copies, Guilt, and Real Contact
Tamler Sommers and David Pizarro discuss how Tarkovsky's Solaris turns Lem's novel about an alien ocean into a meditation on guilt, memory, and whether love for a copy can be real.
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Episode 337: First Contact? (Tarkovsky's "Solaris")
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Tamler Sommers and David Pizarro argue that Andrei Tarkovsky's 1972 film Solaris takes Stanislaw Lem's novel about an unknowable alien intelligence and turns it into a story about human guilt, memory, and whether real connection between people, or between a person and a copy, is possible at all. Lem's book asks what happens when science meets something genuinely other. Tarkovsky's film asks what happens when a grieving man meets a simulation of his dead wife, and uses the alien ocean mostly as an occasion for that human drama.
The hosts trace this through a running motif of copies: a rebuilt family house, the recreated house on an island in the Solaris ocean, fake leaf sounds piped through a vent, and Hari herself, a reconstruction of Kelvin's dead wife generated by the alien ocean. They read this as broadly Platonic. There is some real thing, love or genuine spiritual connection, that cannot be stated directly, only approached through a series of imperfect copies, with art treated as a legitimate, sometimes even privileged, way of pointing at it.
That structure feeds the episode's central dispute. Is Kelvin's growing love for Hari a genuine achievement, one that also transforms her into something with real moral standing, or is it a solipsistic retreat from the messier work of loving actual people on Earth? The hosts do not resolve this, and they extend the same uncertainty to the film's ending, where Kelvin appears to return home only for the scene to reveal itself as another simulation inside Solaris. One host leans toward reading this as tragic self-deception. The other resists closing the question, suggesting it might instead be the first real emotional contact between humanity and something wholly alien.
Along the way, they contrast Tarkovsky's messy, human space station with the sterile world of Kubrick's 2001, arguing Tarkovsky treats people as flawed but capable of striving toward transcendence on their own, while Kubrick's characters need an external force to get there at all. The conversation leaves the reader with a genuinely open question worth sitting with: when does loving a copy stop being escape and start being love.
Strongest arguments
Lem and Tarkovsky pursue different projects
36:33Lem's novel centers on the strangeness of a truly alien intelligence and the limits of human science. Tarkovsky's film uses that alien ocean as a pretext for a story about guilt, memory and isolation, closer in spirit to Crime and Punishment set on a space station.
The added opening argues Earth is already mysterious
38:39Tarkovsky's invented opening, built around the family pond and a long driving sequence through a modern highway system, suggests Earth already holds reflection and wonder. The film implies people flee into space not because Earth lacks mystery but because they are afraid to face themselves and their failures at home.
Copies and reflections structure the whole film
51:24The family dacha is a rebuilt replica, the Solaris dacha copies that copy, and even the rustling leaves are faked with paper in a vent. The hosts read this as a Platonic pattern: an inarticulable real, perhaps love or spiritual connection, approached only through degraded copies, with art still serving as a genuine, sometimes superior, pointer toward it.
Kelvin and Hari: redemption or self-indulgence
48:38One host argues that clinging to a simulated version of a dead wife instead of returning to imperfect real relationships amounts to a kind of cheating, since human connection cannot be faked. The other suggests a more hopeful reading in which Kelvin's capacity to love this Hari, and her resulting growth, is genuinely transformative and possibly the first real emotional contact with the alien ocean.
Contrast with Kubrick's 2001
58:00Tarkovsky fills his space station with dirt, art and decor in implicit contrast to the antiseptic future of 2001, suggesting science fiction need not strip away humanity. One host proposes that Tarkovsky's humans are redeemable through their own effort and love, while Kubrick's need an external force like the monolith to transcend at all.
The ending stays open between tragedy and contact
1:37:30The final scene, where Kelvin's apparent homecoming turns out to be a simulated island inside Solaris's ocean, complete with indoor rain, can be read as a tragic, self-deceptive retreat, or as an optimistic first success in contact between humanity and a genuinely alien intelligence.
Disagreements
Does the highway scene criticize Earth or celebrate it
41:39One host reads the film as saying Earth already contains all the mystery and connection people need, making the flight to space a mistake. The other is more ambivalent, suggesting the concrete highway imagery might instead criticize how humans have reshaped Earth into something alienating and inauthentic.
Is Kelvin's ending an escape or an achievement
1:37:58One host leans toward reading Kelvin's choice to remain within the simulated version of his home as a tragic, solipsistic escape from unresolved human relationships. The other resists settling on a single reading, arguing the scene could just as easily be a genuine and unprecedented act of contact with the alien ocean.
Concepts discussed
- human connection The capacity of people to genuinely understand, empathize with, and relate to one another.
- copies and originals The relationship between an authentic original thing and successive reproductions or representations of it that may lose or distort some of its reality.
- otherness The philosophical problem of whether and how one can ever truly know or understand a radically alien or foreign mind.
- personhood The status of being a subject with moral standing, memory, feeling and the capacity for growth, rather than a mere object or tool.
Philosophers and works discussed
- Solaris (1972 film) By Andrei Tarkovsky.
- Solaris By Stanislaw Lem.
- 2001: A Space Odyssey By Stanley Kubrick.
Questions this episode answers
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How does Tarkovsky's Solaris differ thematically from Stanislaw Lem's novel?
36:33Lem's novel focuses on the alien ocean itself and the limits of scientific understanding, while Tarkovsky's film uses the alien mainly as a pretext to explore human guilt, memory, isolation and the possibility of connection between people.
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What is the significance of copies and reflections as a theme in Tarkovsky's Solaris?
51:24The film repeats an original replaced by a degraded copy, from a rebuilt house to fake leaf sounds to a simulated wife, suggesting a Platonic structure in which an inarticulable real truth is only approached through imperfect copies, with art serving as a meaningful pointer toward it.
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How does Tarkovsky's view of humanity contrast with Stanley Kubrick's in 2001: A Space Odyssey?
1:01:39One host argues Tarkovsky presents humans as flawed but capable of striving toward connection and redemption through love and effort alone, while Kubrick's characters are more passive and cynical, needing an external force like the monolith to transcend.
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Does the character Hari in Solaris achieve genuine personhood?
1:30:06Hari begins as a limited projection, unable even to remove her dress without cutting it, but later versions show independent growth, real pain, memory and eventual self-sacrifice, leading the hosts to argue she develops genuine moral standing beyond a mere simulation.
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Is Kelvin's love for the simulated Hari in Solaris redemptive or a form of self-deception?
48:38One reading treats Kelvin's attachment to the recreated Hari as solipsistic, a way of avoiding imperfect real relationships on Earth, while another treats his capacity to love her as genuinely transformative for her and possibly the first real emotional contact with the alien intelligence.
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How should the ambiguous ending of Tarkovsky's Solaris be interpreted?
1:37:30The closing image, where Kelvin's apparent return home is revealed as a simulated island within Solaris's ocean, can be read either as a tragic retreat into self-deception or as an optimistic sign of successful contact with a genuinely alien intelligence.