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Daisy Dixon on Whether Art Can Be Immoral

Daisy Dixon talks with David Edmunds and Nigel Warburton about the many ways a work of art can be called depraved, and why that rarely justifies censoring it.

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Daisy Dixon on Depraved Art

With Daisy Dixon Published 24 min

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Daisy Dixon argues that calling a work of art "depraved" can mean at least five different things, and that none of them automatically makes the work morally bad. A piece can depict something immoral, cause immoral behavior in its audience, be made by someone of bad character, embody an immoral perspective, or be produced through unethical means. Dixon's central claim is that these categories need to be separated, because conflating them leads to bad judgments about which art actually deserves condemnation.

Depiction is the clearest case of this confusion. Dixon points out that historical outrage over depicted content, such as the censorship of Radclyffe Hall's The Well of Loneliness for depicting homosexuality, often reflected a mistaken morality rather than a flaw in the art. She traces the deeper worry that art can cause immoral behavior back to Plato, who feared that realistic theater could make audiences imitate what they saw, a concern she connects to modern debates over violent video games.

The question of perspective gets more interesting treatment. Using Anne Eaton's feminist reading of Titian's Rape of Europa, Dixon shows how a painting's form can invite a viewer into an oppressive point of view, and contrasts this with Nabokov's Lolita, where an immoral perspective is presented without being endorsed. On the artist's own character, she rejects the death of the author, leaning on Arthur Danto's thought experiment of identical red canvases with different histories to argue that context fixes a work's meaning. She distinguishes easy cases, like Gauguin's eroticized paintings of the Tahitian girls he abused, from harder cases, like abstract art made by a morally depraved artist, where character may not shape meaning at all.

The strongest objection to her own framework is practical: if unethical production, like Kim Jones burning rats in a performance piece, becomes a genuine property of a work even when invisible to viewers, how do we weigh that harm against artistic value. Dixon does not fully resolve this, but she draws a firm line on remedy. She argues against censorship, since it has historically silenced dissent more often than it has stopped real harm, and favors counter-speech instead.

The conversation leaves you with a useful habit: before calling a work depraved, ask which of the five senses you actually mean.

Strongest arguments

Five ways art relates to immorality

0:33

Dixon distinguishes five categories of depraved art: works that depict something immoral, works that cause immoral acts in consumers, works made by an artist of immoral character, works that embody an immoral perspective, and works produced through unethical means. She stresses that falling into one category does not automatically mean the artwork embodies that immoral property.

Depiction of immorality does not equal depravity

2:07

Dixon argues that whether a depicted act was historically considered immoral, such as homosexuality in Victorian England, does not make the art depraved, since moral judgments can themselves be mistaken. She cites the banning of Radclyffe Hall's The Well of Loneliness as a case where art was wrongly condemned as obscene.

Fear that art causes immoral behavior traces to Plato

5:42

Dixon explains that Plato worried realistic theatrical performances could induce viewers to copy the emotions and behavior depicted, due to a belief in art's quasi-magical power. She connects this ancient worry to modern concerns about video game realism shaping real-world attitudes and behavior.

Artworks can embody an immoral perspective

7:57

Dixon describes how an artwork's form, composition, and symbolism can invite viewers to adopt a particular, sometimes oppressive, attitude toward its subject matter, as in Anne Eaton's feminist reading of Titian's Rape of Europa, where the painting eroticizes Europa's abduction for a male viewer. She contrasts this with Nabokov's Lolita, where the author presents an immoral perspective without endorsing it.

Art cannot be separated from the artist

10:56

Dixon rejects the death-of-the-author view and defends a contextualist position where an artist's identity and the circumstances of production determine properties of the artwork, though not exhaustively. She uses Arthur Danto's thought experiment of identical red canvases with different creative histories to show that context, not appearance, fixes an artwork's properties.

Easy and hard cases of artist character permeating art

13:31

Dixon distinguishes easy cases, where an artist's immoral attitudes are directly embedded in the work, such as Gauguin's eroticized paintings of the Tahitian girls he abused, from harder cases like Hitler's landscape paintings, where the immoral ideology shows up more subtly in stylistic choices. She argues that in extreme hard cases, like an abstract painting by a depraved artist, the artwork's meaning may not be determined by the artist's character at all.

Unethical production as a property of the artwork

17:50

Dixon argues, following Ted Nannicelli, that if an artwork's production process involved unethical acts, such as harming animals, that becomes a genuine property of the work even if imperceptible to viewers. She discusses Kim Jones burning rats in a performance piece and raises the consequentialist question of whether an artwork's value can outweigh the harm caused in making it.

Caution against censoring depraved art

22:33

Dixon argues against banning depraved art because censorship has historically been used to silence dissent and marginalized voices, often targeting works that merely subvert convention rather than being genuinely immoral. She favors counter-speech, making more art in response, as a better remedy than suppression.

Philosophers and works discussed

  • Daisy Dixon
  • Plato
  • Depraved: The Story of Dangerous Art By Daisy Dixon.

Questions this episode answers

  • What are the different ways a work of art can be considered depraved or immoral?

    0:33

    Dixon identifies five ways a work can be depraved: depicting something immoral, causing immoral acts in viewers, being made by an artist of immoral character, embodying an immoral perspective, and being produced through unethical means.

  • Did Plato think art and theater could corrupt the audience?

    5:42

    Plato worried that the realism of theatrical performance could cause viewers to imitate the self-indulgent emotions and behavior they witnessed, reflecting a belief that art had a quasi-magical power over the audience.

  • How does Anne Eaton's feminist analysis of Titian's Rape of Europa work?

    7:57

    Eaton's reading, discussed by Dixon, shows how the painting's form invites a male viewer to be aroused by what is depicted as a non-consensual abduction, using Titian's own letters describing the work's intended erotic appeal as evidence of its perspective.

  • What is Arthur Danto's red canvases thought experiment and why does it matter for art theory?

    12:29

    Danto imagines several visually identical red canvases with different creative histories, such as an unfinished canvas versus a deliberate minimalist work, to show that an artwork's properties depend on the context and intention behind its creation, not just its appearance.

  • Does an artist's immoral character always show up in their artwork?

    13:31

    Dixon distinguishes easy cases, where immoral attitudes are directly visible, such as Gauguin's sexualized paintings of the girls he abused, from hard cases like abstract art, where a depraved artist's character may not determine the work's meaning at all.

  • Should art that is immoral or depraved be censored or banned?

    22:33

    Dixon argues against censorship because it has historically silenced dissent and marginalized voices and often targets art that merely breaks convention rather than being truly immoral, favoring counter-speech and more art as a response instead.

Sources

  1. Philosophy Bites, Daisy Dixon on Depraved Art Podcast episode, original episode