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What Auditory Illusions Reveal About the Nature of Sound

Host Barry Lam, psychologist Diana Deutsch, philosopher Casey O'Callaghan, and conductor Christine Howlett examine what hearing illusions say about whether sounds exist independent of the mind.

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The Illusionist (Encore)

With Diana Deutsch, Casey O'Callaghan, and Christine Howlett Published 36 min

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The brief

The conversation argues that much of what we hear is not simply given by sound waves but is actively constructed by the mind, and it uses a musical puzzle to make the stakes concrete. Tchaikovsky scored the opening of the final movement of his 6th Symphony so that no single violin part plays the full melody, yet audiences hear a clear theme and accompaniment anyway. Conductor Arthur Nikisch later rewrote the score so that one violin section literally carries the theme, and the two versions sound identical to listeners. Host Barry Lam uses this to ask which composer actually heard the piece correctly.

Psychologist Diana Deutsch supplies the empirical backbone. Her scale illusion shows listeners assigning alternating tones to left and right based on handedness rather than the tones' real source, a case of what she calls top-down processing. Her mysterious melody effect and tritone paradox extend the point: recognition of a tune can depend on prior knowledge, and even something as basic as whether a pair of tones rises or falls can split listeners into stable, opposing camps with no settled explanation.

Philosopher Casey O'Callaghan brings in Wittgenstein's duck-rabbit to describe "hearing as," the phenomenon where identical sound is first noise and then, once primed, speech or melody. But O'Callaghan resists the stronger conclusion some philosophers draw from these illusions, that sound has no existence outside the mind. He holds that sounds are real events with genuine properties like frequency and timbre, even while location and melodic grouping are partly constructed.

Conductor Christine Howlett complicates the historical puzzle further. She argues that 19th-century orchestra seating would have made Tchaikovsky's and Nikisch's versions sound genuinely different from the stage, and that Tchaikovsky's choice to simplify the same theme later, in the recapitulation, suggests the opening's ambiguity was deliberate, a musical echo of the symphony's preoccupation with death and concealment.

The episode does not resolve which man heard the real piece. It leaves the reader with a sharper question instead: how much of what you hear, in music or in speech, is sound itself, and how much is pattern your mind supplies before you notice it is working.

Strongest arguments

Tchaikovsky and Nikisch heard the same sound differently

7:47

Tchaikovsky's handwritten score for the opening of his 6th Symphony's final movement gives no single violin part the full theme, yet audiences hear a continuous theme and accompaniment when it is performed. Nikisch rewrote the score to literally assign the theme to one violin section, producing a result that sounds identical to audiences. The dispute between the two raises the question of which one was experiencing an illusion.

The scale illusion shows location is constructed by the mind

10:15

Diana Deutsch's scale illusion sends alternating high and low tones separately into each ear, but listeners hear all the high tones as coming from one side and all the low tones from the other, based on handedness rather than actual input. This is top-down processing, where the mind imposes a probable pattern on the world rather than registering the real physical arrangement of sound.

Hearing as: the same sound can be heard two different ways

20:02

Casey O'Callaghan draws on Wittgenstein's duck-rabbit distinction between seeing and seeing as to explain cases like sine wave speech and the mysterious melody, where identical sound is first heard as meaningless noise and then, once primed with knowledge, is heard as speech or as a recognizable tune. This suggests much of auditory experience is a construction built from raw sound plus prior knowledge.

Philosophers disagree on whether any sound is purely heard

23:33

Some philosophers argue from the existence of illusions that there are no sounds in the external world at all, only mental constructions. O'Callaghan disagrees, holding that sounds are real things in the environment with genuine properties like frequency, timbre, and loudness, even though features like location and melody may be partly constructed by the mind.

The tritone paradox shows even pitch direction can be ambiguous

25:58

Deutsch's tritone paradox presents an ambiguous pair of tones that different listeners consistently and confidently hear as moving in opposite directions, some hearing it ascend and others descend. This shows that even relative pitch direction is not simply given by the sound itself but is resolved differently by different minds, unlike the scale illusion where the explanation is well understood.

Physical orchestra seating may explain a real difference in sound

29:49

Christine Howlett argues that in the 19th-century seating arrangement, with first violins on the left facing the audience and second violins on the right facing away, there would actually have been a real balance difference in the sound reaching listeners. She suggests Tchaikovsky may have intended the audience to hear the jumping, disjoint quality of his original scoring, and that Nikisch's change was motivated partly by tuning difficulties when violinists jump between notes rather than play a smooth scale.

Tchaikovsky's recapitulation reveals the illusion was intentional

32:33

Howlett notices that Tchaikovsky rescored the same theme during the recapitulation to match Nikisch's simpler arrangement, meaning Tchaikovsky expected listeners to hear it as the same theme both times despite two different underlying scorings. Barry Lam suggests this was deliberate, tied to the symphony's meditation on death, masking a theme at the beginning before revealing it unambiguously as the movement approaches its bleak ending.

Disagreements

Whether sounds exist independent of the mind

23:33

Barry Lam notes a philosophical tradition that argues from auditory illusions to the conclusion that sounds are entirely mental constructions with no independent existence in the world. Casey O'Callaghan takes the opposing position, holding that sounds are real things in the environment with genuine physical properties like frequency and timbre, even while granting that some auditory features are constructed by the mind.

Which man, Tchaikovsky or Nikisch, heard the real sound

7:47

Barry Lam frames the historical dispute as unresolved: one of the two men was subject to an illusion while the other heard the piece as it truly was, but it is unclear which. Howlett's analysis suggests Tchaikovsky deliberately intended the disjoint, harder-to-hear version, implying Nikisch's rescoring, though practically identical in effect, departed from the composer's real intention.

Philosophers and works discussed

  • Casey O'Callaghan

Questions this episode answers

  • What is Diana Deutsch's scale illusion and what does it reveal about hearing?

    10:15

    The scale illusion sends alternating high and low tones separately into each ear, but listeners perceive all the high tones as coming from one side and the low tones from the other, based on their handedness rather than the true spatial source. This demonstrates top-down processing, where the mind imposes probable patterns on sound rather than accurately registering the physical input.

  • What is the philosophical distinction between seeing and seeing as?

    22:11

    Drawing on Wittgenstein's duck-rabbit image, the distinction separates merely seeing an image from seeing it as something in particular, such as a duck or a rabbit. The same physical image or sound can be experienced as two different things depending on the listener's interpretation.

  • Are sounds real features of the external world or constructions of the mind?

    23:33

    Some philosophers conclude from the existence of auditory illusions that sounds have no independent existence and are entirely constructed by the mind. Casey O'Callaghan argues against this, holding that sounds are real objects in the environment with genuine properties such as frequency, timbre, and loudness, even though features like location and melody may be partly mentally constructed.

  • What is the tritone paradox and why is it puzzling?

    25:58

    The tritone paradox presents an ambiguous pair of tones that different listeners consistently hear as moving in opposite directions, some perceiving an ascent and others a descent. Unlike the scale illusion, there is no agreed explanation for why individuals are predisposed to hear it one way rather than another.

  • Why did Tchaikovsky score the opening of his 6th Symphony's final movement in a way no listener could hear correctly?

    28:56

    Tchaikovsky's score alternates theme and accompaniment between violin parts in a way that blends into a single coherent theme for listeners regardless of which scoring is used. Christine Howlett suggests Tchaikovsky intended the audience to actually perceive a disjoint, jumping quality rooted in the era's seating arrangement, and that he deliberately rescored the same theme more simply during the recapitulation, implying the opening's illusion was a meaningful artistic choice tied to the symphony's meditation on death.

  • What does hearing tell us about objects and events compared to vision?

    36:40

    Casey O'Callaghan suggests vision tells us about the furniture of the environment, the objects present, while hearing tells us about what is happening, changing, or occurring. On this view, auditory objects are more like events, stories, or careers with a temporal structure, rather than static bodies.

Sources

  1. Hi-Phi Nation, The Illusionist (Encore) Podcast episode, original episode