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In this episode, Caleb speaks with bestselling author Sharon Lebell.

They discuss:

- Why judgement is the beginning of connection

- How Sharon thinks about role models

- Key ideas in The Art of Living

- The importance of clarifying and communicating values

- Why optionality is overrated

Sharon is the bestselling author of The Art of Living: The Classical Manual on Virtue, Happiness, and Effectiveness and a cofounder of the Walled Garden.

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Stoa Conversations is Caleb Ontiveros and Michael Tremblay’s podcast on Stoic theory and practice.

Caleb and Michael work together on the Stoa app. Stoa is designed to help you build resilience and focus on what matters. It combines the practical philosophy of Stoicism with modern techniques and meditation.

Become more Stoic with the Stoa app.

Caleb Ontiveros has a background in academic philosophy (MA) and startups. His favorite Stoic is Marcus Aurelius. Follow him here:

Michael Tremblay also has a background in academic philosophy (PhD) where he focused on Epictetus. He is also a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. His favorite Stoic is Epictetus.

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Thanks to Michael Levy for graciously letting us use his music in the conversations.