In this conversation Caleb speaks with Massimo Pigliucci. Massimo Pigliucci is a philosophy professor at the City University of New York and author of How to Be A Stoic, A Field Guide To A Happy Life, and co-author of A Handbook for New Stoics. Amongst other works!

His most recent book is The Quest for Character: What the Story of Socrates and Alcibiades Teaches Us about Our Search for Good Leaders. We talk about what ancient lives can teach us about leadership today.

Listen to it here: (Android, iPhone).

Check out an earlier conversation with Massimo here.