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"Happiness, as the goal of life, can be understood as the highest expression of human nature, as encapsulating the chief markers of humanity at its best, namely rationality and sociability."

In this conversation, I (Caleb) speak with Chris Gill. We kick off the conversation with topics from his most recent book Learning to Live Naturally: Stoic Ethics and its Modern Significance. It’s no exaggeration to say that Chris Gill is a legend in modern Stoicism so having him on again was a real privilege.

Learning to Live Naturally

(02:19) Indifferents

(10:39) What Grounds Virtue?

(16:55) How to Think About Virtues and Nature

(26:44) Stoicism and the Natural World

(29:43) Stoic Detachment

(38:02) Does Stoicism Promote Self-sufficiency?

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Thanks to Michael Levy for graciously letting us use his music in the conversations.